SAN DIEGO (AP) - It's been a long time - 2003, to be exact - since the San Diego Chargers have been this irrelevant before Thanksgiving.

The Chargers (4-6) all but ceded the AFC West title to Peyton Manning and the Broncos by losing 30-23 at Denver on Sunday, leaving them with only a desperate shot at a wild card spot.

Quarterback Philip Rivers is under siege behind a shaky line every time he drops backs to pass and his turnovers continue at an alarming rate.

It seems almost a given that coach Norv Turner will be fired at season's end. Every loss, which magnifies glaring roster deficiencies, brings more calls for general manager A.J. Smith to go, as well.